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Magnolia couple charged in ponzi scheme

February 22nd, 2010 · 60 Comments

Magnolia Voice has learned that a Magnolia couple has been charged with running a ponzi scheme by the Washington Department of Financial Institutions (DFI).  They are facing a $25,000 fine in the administrative case for violating the Securities Act of Washington.

James H. Liddell and Leslie Collins, a married couple who live in Magnolia, are charged with raising in excess of $3,750,000 through the sale of promissory notes to eight investors through their business Payright Merchant Services.  The investors included business acquaintances of Liddell and Collins, parents of their children’s classmates and friends of investors.  We are told that some of the victims live in Magnolia.

According to papers filed by DFI, from December 2005 through December 2008, Liddell and Collins told investors that they had a business buying used point of sale (POS) terminals and then reselling the terminals to a company that would refurbish the units for resale.

DFI says that Liddell told investors that he was a middle man in the transaction and that he never took possession of the terminals but needed funds to purchase the units.  Liddell also told investors that he had pre-existing sales agreements and/or purchase orders to purchase the used units from a large Seattle area pharmacy.   

“As far as we know the POS terminals were never purchased or put in the stores,” said Tyler Letey, Financial Legal Examiner, DFI. 

According to the statement of charges filed by DFI:

Liddell showed investors sales agreements and purchase orders indicating the existence of the negotiated terms for a particular shipment of POS terminals to the refurbishing company or pharmacy.  Liddell then provided the investors with promissory notes normally varying in length from 20 to 45 days.  The rate of return on the promissory notes varied from 5.8% to 9.9%.  Additionally, some investors were promised a percentage of the gross profits for the particular transaction in which they had invested.  The percentages ranged from 14% to 50% of the gross profits of the transaction.  Investors initially received their return on investment and Liddell then offered them the opportunity to reinvest their money.

“It’s a ponzi scheme, said Letey.

According to the DFI, payments to investors from Liddell and Collins started to fall behind in 2008.  Some investors refused to invest more money until they had their existing investments returned with the interest earned.  On multiple occasions Liddell and Collins made deposits into investor bank accounts giving the investors the belief that this was the return on their prior investments.

DFI says some of the deposits made by Liddell and Collins were from new investors whose money was deposited directly into an existing investor’s bank account.  On other occasions the deposits made by Liddell and Collins into investor bank accounts were later returned due to insufficient funds.  These were not discovered by the investors until after they had already given more money to Liddell and Collins based upon the mistaken belief that their prior investment money had been returned.

The first complaint came in April ‘09 from one of the investors. After an investigation, DFI charged Liddell and Collins with violation of the Securities Act of Washington.  They face a fine of $25,000.  They have requested a hearing in the case.  

“In a perfect world we get the money back for the investors but our objective is to stop the activity,” said Letey.

Letey also said that in an administrative proceeding people can’t be made to liquidate their assets to pay back victims.  That would come as part of any action taken by the criminal justice system. Victims could also take civil action against Liddell and Collins.  Letey could not say whether the case has been turned over to the prosecutor’s office or the attorney general’s office for investigation.

The DFI investigation also revealed that in 1987 Liddell was named in a cease and desist order for securities fraud.  In that case, Liddell was convicted of first degree theft for raising over $125,000 from investors, claiming that he would purchase investments through Fidelity Investments. He was not licensed to make such sales and did not use any of the investor funds to purchase securities from Fidelity for the investors benefit.

“We encourage people who have the opportunity to invest to do their research. In this case investors would have found out about the prior order and conviction,” said Letey.

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  • dmanjam

    Only a $25,000 fine?! That's pocket change to these people, how about a million dollar fine and 10 years in jail. Not to mention the guy had priors, how can we let this happen?

  • Ballardista

    IF that qualifies as a ponzi scheme, then half the businesses will be in deep trouble with their investors. A guaranteed rate of return isn't uncommon. And investor water-falls are standard finance tools for leveraged returns. Not that this will stop the crowd with the pitchforks coming up the hill.

    • factmonkey

      I'm pretty sure that anytime someone accepts new investment money and, rather than using it in the manner promised (i.e. actually using it to further the business), turns around and pays off earlier investors with the money in order to get them to invest even more, then you've definitely got yourself a Ponzi scheme. There's no way to sustain that over time without the entire thing eventually collapsing like a house of cards, which appears to be what happened here. And when those things collapse, a lot of innocent people are suddenly out of a large amount of money.

      • Ballardista

        The whole point of it is to take out other levels of financing. If investors wanted their money out (rightfully so) and they made a capital call to pay off the original investors, this won't be so easy to prosecute, especially if the MOU's etc. all considered this timeframe the initial investment period.

    • motorrad

      Wow Ballardista! Great attention to the facts and details. Lord help us.

      • Ballardista

        Umm einstein. I wasn't referring to this company as evidenced by the opening sentence. I was referring to how tiered financing works. But I'll quit now. Explaining finance to reactionaries as evidenced in my closing sentence is like teaching science to the masses.

        Satan help us.

  • pattr

    lets see…3,700,000 taken in…$25,000 fine. Seems like a fine business to be in to me

  • motorrad

    That is a great profit. Take in $3,700,000. Pay out $25,000 in a fine. And then get support of people like Ballardista. Looks like a good business plan.

    • Ballardista

      Continue trolling for flamebait. You're about as useful as the commenters on youtube. I wasn't supporting them just attempting to explain how many financial instruments and investments work -through tiered financing.

      • kim

        don't bother. motorrad does the same thing on myballard.

  • Name

    The case has likely been turned over to the prosecutor's office esp. given the prior conviction. They're toast. Doesn't excuse the lack of due diligence by the investors…

  • dre

    Ballardista, there is a difference between tiered financing and pooling investment monies. If the investors' money was pooled, and the sellers made misrepresentations or omissions about how the invested funds were going to be used (i.e., they represented that the funds would be used for a particular project but instead they were used to pay off prior investors), then this is a classic ponzi scheme and a violation of the Washington State Securities Act. Unfortunately, these schemes happen far too often. It should be noted that persons who are substantial contributive factors in the sale of these securities can also face civil liability under our Act (i.e., the person who got an investor into the deal, but who is not the criminal mastermind, has potential exposure).

  • Ballardemician

    first off the 25k fine is just the start of it.

    Secondly, a Ponzi scheme has to do with intent. Blow all the smoke you want about “tiered investment” schemes, but if there is fraud involved (ie the sale contract were faked or didn't actually exist) it's a Ponzi scheme which is complately illegal. If investors were made to think transactions had happened that funded their “profits” it is fraud, which …

    thirdly, is a crime. This couple could easily face jail time. But really the worst of it will be …

    fourth, class action litigators specializing in financial fraud will swoop down like super-intelligent eagles and righteously tear the flesh from the bones of their remaining assets. They'll AHEM them so thoroughly they'll never walk straight again.

    Outside of that it's smooth sailing …

    • Val

      Guess I might have new neighbors in their $900,000 home!

  • justcurious

    hey-anyone here anything new on this case?

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